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	<title>Comments on: Results of the January 30 Water into Wine Experiment</title>
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		<title>By: Linda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Linda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 18:45:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also happen to agree with the naysayers...there&#039;s no way this test showed any significant differences and this is the type of stuff that you&#039;ll now hear Wayne Dyer and Deepak Chopra talking about in their PBS specials...the power of thought/intention changed water into wine...it&#039;s just not ethical to call this a meanigful difference.  I truly believe in the power of intention, but like all things in the universe, there are random events that can interfere with the best of intentions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also happen to agree with the naysayers&#8230;there&#8217;s no way this test showed any significant differences and this is the type of stuff that you&#8217;ll now hear Wayne Dyer and Deepak Chopra talking about in their PBS specials&#8230;the power of thought/intention changed water into wine&#8230;it&#8217;s just not ethical to call this a meanigful difference.  I truly believe in the power of intention, but like all things in the universe, there are random events that can interfere with the best of intentions.</p>
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		<title>By: Neale</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 05:10:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Raw water, without a buffer, is quite an unstable, delicate substance for determining the PSI effects.  But you do need a delicate test for PSI.

My personal experience in the lab is that the absorbance of CO2 , agitation, prior state of the electrodes, etc. have an overwhelming effect.  [I have never done PSI experiments, just prep&#039;ing HPLC eluents, curious to see what raw water looked like.]   Just counting on diffusion to get a measure of the bulk pH is rather meager science.  And the list goes on and on.

Hope you can find real evidence of PSI, I think it is out there.  Good Luck!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Raw water, without a buffer, is quite an unstable, delicate substance for determining the PSI effects.  But you do need a delicate test for PSI.</p>
<p>My personal experience in the lab is that the absorbance of CO2 , agitation, prior state of the electrodes, etc. have an overwhelming effect.  [I have never done PSI experiments, just prep'ing HPLC eluents, curious to see what raw water looked like.]   Just counting on diffusion to get a measure of the bulk pH is rather meager science.  And the list goes on and on.</p>
<p>Hope you can find real evidence of PSI, I think it is out there.  Good Luck!</p>
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		<title>By: Rommert van den Bos</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rommert van den Bos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Mar 2010 16:00:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Lynne,

I really would like to be convinced but until this moment I am not. Next time it would be helpful if the graphs presented were shown larger in order to allow me to read the numbers properly which right now is not the case. I notice fluctuations but cannot even check the size of these fluctuations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Lynne,</p>
<p>I really would like to be convinced but until this moment I am not. Next time it would be helpful if the graphs presented were shown larger in order to allow me to read the numbers properly which right now is not the case. I notice fluctuations but cannot even check the size of these fluctuations.</p>
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		<title>By: michael duggan</title>
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		<dc:creator>michael duggan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2010 21:57:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, I agree. Over selling rather unreliable and weak  results (in my view indistinguishable from background) doesn&#039;t help promote this project.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I agree. Over selling rather unreliable and weak  results (in my view indistinguishable from background) doesn&#8217;t help promote this project.</p>
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		<title>By: Allison</title>
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		<dc:creator>Allison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 21:53:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi everyone, I learn so much from everyone.  What I enjoy so much though are the reasons that everyone comes together.  The energy that makes the miracles.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi everyone, I learn so much from everyone.  What I enjoy so much though are the reasons that everyone comes together.  The energy that makes the miracles.</p>
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		<title>By: Pablo L. Pico</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pablo L. Pico</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 02:51:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Congratulations!

I was expecting the results for a while…  Even though, I can see different data for the two beakers, the difference in the initial period looks bigger than the changes during the experiment. 

I’m convinced about sending intentions for needed people, but I don’t think we can measure the changes as in a lab experiment.  Anyway, I’ll continue sending my best intentions to all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Congratulations!</p>
<p>I was expecting the results for a while…  Even though, I can see different data for the two beakers, the difference in the initial period looks bigger than the changes during the experiment. </p>
<p>I’m convinced about sending intentions for needed people, but I don’t think we can measure the changes as in a lab experiment.  Anyway, I’ll continue sending my best intentions to all.</p>
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		<title>By: XtalDave</title>
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		<dc:creator>XtalDave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Feb 2010 22:49:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Figures 3 &amp; 4.
The y-axis scale is clearly different. This can be seen by a) different number of significant figures after the decimal point and b) obviously different increments in y-axis measurement between active and dummy sessions. 

What is the error range in your pH electrode. 
Often these are not really accurate to ±0.1 pH units, and yet in the active experiment, the y-axis looks to have increments of ±0.0? pH units.

Have you repeated multiples times?
Can you provide the raw data?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Figures 3 &amp; 4.<br />
The y-axis scale is clearly different. This can be seen by a) different number of significant figures after the decimal point and b) obviously different increments in y-axis measurement between active and dummy sessions. </p>
<p>What is the error range in your pH electrode.<br />
Often these are not really accurate to ±0.1 pH units, and yet in the active experiment, the y-axis looks to have increments of ±0.0? pH units.</p>
<p>Have you repeated multiples times?<br />
Can you provide the raw data?</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Feb 2010 22:49:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Lynne, thanks for your recent blog entry in which you clarify your findings.

You state that even if there was only a 0.02 change in pH then this is a miracle and a &quot;preposterous violation of orthodox science&quot;.  I disagree.

First, the reading depends on the accuracy of the pH meter.  Usually pH is recorded only to one decimal place, as many pH meters are not sensitive to smaller changes (even though they may show two decimal places). So the meter itself will show constant little variations in pH just by chance. Perhaps you would be so kind as to report the make and model of pH meter used so we can verify the accuracy?

Second, I&#039;m not sure you understand statistical significance. When you sample something such as pH, you will always get a slightly different reading each time you sample it (due to chance fluctuations in the thing being measured, or the measurement instrument itself). A statistical test tells you whether an observed change in the measurement is simply due to chance fluctuations, or whether this reading would be very unlikely to happen due to chance, in which case it&#039;s said to be significant.

Unfortunately it&#039;s probably difficult to do any statistical tests on these results, because as others have pointed out, the measurement period was very short, there were only two beakers, and the &quot;control&quot; condition was run at a different time. Also, if we assume intention has very subtle effects, any effect of intention may be hidden because of other fluctuations in pH caused by uncontrolled variables such as differences in water composition, atmospheric conditions, temperature, etc etc.

Third, you say that this experiment is only a &quot;baby step&quot;. Considering the effort you went to recruiting people for the experiment, setting up the live video streams etc it would have been a comparatively small effort to improve the experimental design and thus improve your chances of demonstrating a solid result. Or why now make the improvements and repeat the experiment? This is the normal process of science - incrementally building on previous results, positive or negative.

Finally, you are often critical of science, yet you are attempting to use science to support the power of intention. I&#039;ve noticed that if the experiments provide a positive result, then you shout from the rooftops that you have scientific support (though you are yet to publish any results in a respectable scientific journal). However, if your experiment produces a null result (as in this one), then you are quick to point out that orthodox science has many limitations. You can&#039;t have it both ways.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Lynne, thanks for your recent blog entry in which you clarify your findings.</p>
<p>You state that even if there was only a 0.02 change in pH then this is a miracle and a &#8220;preposterous violation of orthodox science&#8221;.  I disagree.</p>
<p>First, the reading depends on the accuracy of the pH meter.  Usually pH is recorded only to one decimal place, as many pH meters are not sensitive to smaller changes (even though they may show two decimal places). So the meter itself will show constant little variations in pH just by chance. Perhaps you would be so kind as to report the make and model of pH meter used so we can verify the accuracy?</p>
<p>Second, I&#8217;m not sure you understand statistical significance. When you sample something such as pH, you will always get a slightly different reading each time you sample it (due to chance fluctuations in the thing being measured, or the measurement instrument itself). A statistical test tells you whether an observed change in the measurement is simply due to chance fluctuations, or whether this reading would be very unlikely to happen due to chance, in which case it&#8217;s said to be significant.</p>
<p>Unfortunately it&#8217;s probably difficult to do any statistical tests on these results, because as others have pointed out, the measurement period was very short, there were only two beakers, and the &#8220;control&#8221; condition was run at a different time. Also, if we assume intention has very subtle effects, any effect of intention may be hidden because of other fluctuations in pH caused by uncontrolled variables such as differences in water composition, atmospheric conditions, temperature, etc etc.</p>
<p>Third, you say that this experiment is only a &#8220;baby step&#8221;. Considering the effort you went to recruiting people for the experiment, setting up the live video streams etc it would have been a comparatively small effort to improve the experimental design and thus improve your chances of demonstrating a solid result. Or why now make the improvements and repeat the experiment? This is the normal process of science &#8211; incrementally building on previous results, positive or negative.</p>
<p>Finally, you are often critical of science, yet you are attempting to use science to support the power of intention. I&#8217;ve noticed that if the experiments provide a positive result, then you shout from the rooftops that you have scientific support (though you are yet to publish any results in a respectable scientific journal). However, if your experiment produces a null result (as in this one), then you are quick to point out that orthodox science has many limitations. You can&#8217;t have it both ways.</p>
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		<title>By: Akil Khalfani</title>
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		<dc:creator>Akil Khalfani</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Feb 2010 18:57:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent results, its good to see the power of intention validated.</description>
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		<title>By: Terry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Feb 2010 17:44:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems to me that most people reading this blog are supportive of Lynne&#039;s work. However, proving the actual experimental data, and or better quality graphs would remove the doubts in many people&#039;s minds. Or perhaps would convince some that the results are too small to matter. We need more information!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems to me that most people reading this blog are supportive of Lynne&#8217;s work. However, proving the actual experimental data, and or better quality graphs would remove the doubts in many people&#8217;s minds. Or perhaps would convince some that the results are too small to matter. We need more information!</p>
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